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A look back at our two years together here.
« on: Nov 23, 2010, 12:06 PM »
It really has been an amazing two years here, when you stop to think about it.  A rollercoaster ride with someone else at the controls, and us all sitting in the seats holding on.  I think we’ve been so involved in it, and it’s gone on for so long, that it’s worth taking a step back for a moment.

When she arrived in Dubai, we had all had many months to accept her weird fate – we knew she’d be chopped up and have horrible things done to her, in this strange land.  We knew it would take years – 3 at least they said – and we knew that they were going to start work on her any day now.  We had got used to these ideas, even if we didn’t like them.  Things like the last webcam image were real tearjerkers.  I started a poignant page on my website with ‘the last images of the intact qe2 from Dubai’ and I vowed to not look back after they started to chop her up.  My QE2 Story was over.

But I had in fact registered theqe2story.com a year earlier with grand ideas for it, paid for it, and it was just sitting there doing nothing with a holding page on it.  Other cruise ship forums were understandably? Fed up hearing about QE2, because the ‘farewell’ had been going on for 18 months, and were ready to move on.  But we needed a refuge, and over the previous years, my personal website (one of the first 2 in the world about QE2 in 1994) had caused me to build up a fairly huge list of QE2 contacts around the world.  So in one evening, on a whim, I set up the forum with a basic structure, and asked some friends to trial it for me, and if they thought it was a good idea.  I honestly didn’t expect anything to come of it.  After some more tweaks, a few days later, I let all my contacts know about it and the forum took off within a few weeks.  It was actually quite exciting, especially to those who had never used such a system before.  New members arrived, through word of mouth alone.

Initially, I didn’t even create a ‘Dubai’ section because that wasn’t what I wanted the forum to be about, but speculation and rumours were the order of the day, because nobody official was saying anything concrete, and I knew they’d spoil the rest of the forum if there wasn’t somewhere to put them.  We didn’t know the plans for her were already off.  For a few months every tiny photo of the ship was like a nugget of gold in the dust for a prospector.  She was still in the same place!  She wasn’t in the dry dock being rebuilt!  The webcam images started to appear from visiting ships tying up behind her – they were poor quality images, but were good enough to see that she was intact and her funnel was still smoking.  Then some of the passengers on these ships sent us images, and we could see in higher quality what state she was in.   

That page of 'last images' on my website grew longer and longer until I had to totally rewrite it with an explanation of what was going on, and redirect them to the forum for more information.

But then something unexpected happened.  Various people started to contact me with information. They wanted rumours to be corrected.  They had the inside story.  They were involved in Dubai, or had been.  Or were they?  How could I know for sure?  Some got short thrift and were just attention seekers.  Some of their stories conflicted.  But the truth started to show through the various pieces of information given, and I learned and validated the true sources, and I carefully shared the information with the forum, and we were able to quash many rumours between us.  The regulars on the forum learned the true story, and were able to concentrate on wondering about her new future… while elsewhere on the internet daft rumours continued (and still do).

Then news of Cape Town broke – and we had an exclusive on it, early doors.  Those many months in 07 and 08 of preparing ourselves to witness her horrible fate were erased from our minds; she was to be saved, rejuvenated, and to have another stage in her life, intact.  In the longer term, it gave us hope of a more sympathetic plan for her, in a more appropriate location.  She was dry docked and re-fitted.  She looked even amazing than she had when we last saw her up close.  Sadness at seeing SOUTHAMPTON and CUNARD removed from her and replaced with PORT VILA and the jolly flag of Vanuatu was totally overwhelmed by being given comprehensive explanations as to why this happened, and the very good reasons for it.   It seemed incredible, but it was true.  By this point we were even being contacted by shadow ministers in the south African government seeking additional information - the high level discussions had not included them. But as the day of her departure never quite arrived, we finally received word that it was off, due to local politics.  Be in no doubt, however, she had been ready and raring to go.  Her additional crew for the voyage stepped down, and she was laid up once more.  Attempts at other similar plans fell through despite every effort and QE2 was all dressed up, but with nowhere to go.  The faithful old lady, ready to serve once more, had been stood up.

It’s not unreasonable to say, at this point in time especially, the forum became *the* source on the internet that for QE2 news - a completely unexpected situation to me – and one that brought further hassle along with it.  At times, the forum and associated emails etc. was like a full time job.

And so, for over a year, we have been left in limbo and the forum finds itself back in the role of correcting rumours and waiting.
Many of her former passengers have not cruised since and have found other holidays, others have simply moved on to other ships, either with Cunard or otherwise, memories of last trips on the QE2 are replaced by fresher memories of more recent trips.  Things have understandably got a bit quieter. 
The only real news has been her being moved out of the way to allow even more cruise ships to come to her new home port.  Once she had led the way when people thought large cruise ships would never succeed; now she was just in the way.  She didn’t need an active cruise terminal to berth at.  She still looks great.  Her engines are still running to keep her safe and her lights on.  Her interiors are almost entirely intact.  Her crew, especially her captain, are proud to serve on her and are looking after her as best they can.  These are the facts.

If something horrible happens to her now, it will be even harder to take than it would have been at the end of 2008. 
If something brilliant happens to her now, it will be even more marvellous.
But I feel a bit exhausted after 2 full years of this - those actually involved in the project, or those who have been, must be completely exhausted too.  To retire QE2 just exactly as the credit crunch hit, was, depending who you were, brilliant timing, or awful timing.

Speaking personally, I found a visit to the SS Rotterdam this year to be hugely uplifting.  This magnificent, proud and beautiful ship has been converted in a way that I would simply not have thought possible.  I am in awe and inspired by the geniuses who put this together.  I realised that if this was to happen to QE2, I would be very ok with it. 
At the moment we have the cruel illusion (created by the smoke from her funnel) that she may just start sailing again at any moment, but a far better situation would be for her to be carefully preserved like Rotterdam has been and for her mighty engines to take a well earned rest.  It might take years though, like it has done for Rotterdam, but the longer she remains intact and safe, the longer it remains a possibility.

Like Rotterdam, it is utterly essential that she remains the same ship after conversion, that she was before so that people such as myself can say "I stood on this exact step of the queens room in 1987 with my dad" or "I partied in this bar in 2007 with my friend" or "I leaned on this rail with my Mum and watched the sun rise over Africa".  She is a ship packed with people's happy memories and they're contained within her rooms.

The $ numbers involved in doing *anything* with her always have 7 zeros after them… and there is a global financial meltdown still ongoing … so how can we save her?  Well *we* can’t.  There are numerous facebook groups etc claiming to be trying to do the same, but unless they get millions of ‘members’ and hit the headlines, I fear they do more harm than good.  A facebook group with a small number of members makes it look like there is a lack of support for the cause, rather than the opposite.  QE2 is not something the masses are interested in, especially not the masses who choose to use facebook, so this simply won’t happen.

I believe the most important thing we can do, and the most important thing the forum can continue to do (in this section at least), is to simply and reliably keep the truth about her out there in the hope that it helps with her future.  I hope everybody – both in front of the scenes and behind them – will continue to help us to do this.

Thanks all, and stay patient and hopeful.

- Rob
I welcome all personal messages and emails but for all questions and matters relating to the running of the website and forum, please email admin@TheQE2Story.com rather than me directly, because I'm not always available to help.  Thanks!

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #1 on: Nov 23, 2010, 11:07 PM »
A brilliant post Rob.
Well done.  
It's been great to be here from the start.
I find myself referring people here every week as it is the best collection of current and historical QE2 information online.
Keep up the good work.
« Last Edit: Nov 23, 2010, 11:09 PM by Chris »

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #2 on: Nov 23, 2010, 11:11 PM »
I'm sure it can be overwhelming sometimes to you and the others involved in the site, but it is a nice way to keep QE2 alive for some of us and for that, I am grateful.  Excellent post!
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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #3 on: Nov 23, 2010, 11:19 PM »
Thank goodness for your whims, Rob! :)
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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #4 on: Nov 23, 2010, 11:35 PM »
You are a gifted and excellent story teller, Rob!

And here you have told us, for the first time ever, the story of The QE2Story Forum. And I listened to it like any other eager listener, listening to a great story. Recognising the events, the feelings, the people -- and seeing them anew as you told their / our story.

Looking forward to more years of the QE2 Story, more stories -- and more hope, both for the QE2 and for her story.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #5 on: Nov 24, 2010, 12:52 AM »
"She is a ship packed with people's happy memories and they're contained within her rooms."  Beautifully written, Rob, and it definitely reflects my feelings about the QE2.  Thank you.
Whenever I hear a sea story I think of the first time I saw the QE2 and the great adventures that followed.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #6 on: Nov 24, 2010, 03:45 AM »
Thanks Rob for Keeping The Legend Alive. They haven't forgotten her on QM2 and in one of the lifts there was a lovely image of her.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #7 on: Nov 24, 2010, 05:37 AM »
I have been a reader of this forum for two years but have not registered until now.  Robs post spurred me into registering to thank Rob and all members of this forum for keeping QE2 alive and in the public eye.  I have seen and photographed QE2 many times over 20 years and watched with sadness as she made her final call to Auckland in early 2008.  Like many of you I was dreading the thought of seeing her disfigured by the proposed Dubai rebuild.  Her two year limbo has been pleasing in the sense that she remains intact yet worrying for her long term future.  Like all of you here I just hope that some suitably fitting future can be found for her.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #8 on: Nov 24, 2010, 06:35 AM »
A very poignant piece as we approach the 2nd anniversary of her arrival in Dubai. It is hard to believe that 2 years on the QE2 is still intact, in good condition and ready for anything. I hope she can be preserved somewhere for future generations.
The forum has been amazing for me. I have learned so much and made friends I never thought I would. Thanks Rob. Thanks everyone. Let's hope our dreams for preserving the QE2 can be realised.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #9 on: Nov 24, 2010, 08:15 AM »
Thank you Rob for the brilliant text.

It understand how exhausting it must have been (and still be) to run theqe2story, but thank you for being the one who actually does it, and does it so well. Here is definetely the best place for everything about QE2, not only her story, but also her future.

Like Rotterdam, it is utterly essential that she remains the same ship after conversion, that she was before so that people such as myself can say "I stood on this exact step of the queens room in 1987 with my dad" or "I partied in this bar in 2007 with my friend" or "I leaned on this rail with my Mum and watched the sun rise over Africa".  She is a ship packed with people's happy memories and they're contained within her rooms.

So true. Many past guests would come to visit her, including me, that's for sure. Not only once, but repeatedly. For years to come. Makes quite a high number of potential visitors. Let's hope there is still some talented marketing people left somewhere, who will catch that and have some vision.

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #10 on: Nov 24, 2010, 10:00 AM »
Thank you Rob for everything you are doing to keep the memory of the QE2 alive.

As long as the people that can change things know that we all care there is hope.  I always wear a QE2 pin and my car has a picture of QE2 on it. When I am asked why I always say it is to keep her memory alive in the hope someone will decide to do something.

Thanks again

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #11 on: Nov 24, 2010, 11:10 AM »
Hi Rob,

This website has helped us all in many ways to come to grips with our beloved QE2's sea going career coming to a close and you give us hope to the fact that there is still a light at the end of the tunnel for her which isnt a guarantee but if there was no website like this there wouldnt be any hope at all. You have done a marvellous job. Keeping her memory alive is the key to show the world that we mean business when it comes to preserving the great old dame. We soldier on as they say and hope that maybe sometime soon our beloved lady of the sea will see the footsteps, laughter and excitement of having beloved fans aboard enjoying everything that she is.  :)

I do miss cocktails up at the funnel bar as does many other fans i am sure 8)

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #12 on: Nov 24, 2010, 12:12 PM »
Hullo Rob,

I don't normally burst forth into print unless it involves a technical issue or there are some nuts and bolts involved.

However, this is an opportunity to give credit where credit is due. Put simply, you have done a fantastic job on this forum.

A lot of people, from many differing walks of life, some of whom have had a very long connection with the ship and some not so long, have homed in on this forum and greatly enjoyed the involvement and interaction with like-minded strangers, and have now become friends . For myself, I watched the career of the QE2 while being at sea as well, and only really had the opportunity to get up close to her in her last years of service with Cunard.

Even though she was older by then, it didn't stop me enjoying the experience of joining my son on the bridge for a 12 - 4 watch, or joining the engineers down below, and I am very glad to have been able to share a photo or two from my records, as many others have done.

What you have created is a vehicle through which all the QE2 supporters can communicate and share their experiences on the ship, and their hopes for her future. It is enjoyable to be able to contribute to this forum, and the wealth of knowledge that has accrued has been enormous.

Well done, long may it continue, and thank you.

Skilly

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #13 on: Nov 24, 2010, 04:11 PM »
I would also like to add my thanks to Rob for this wonderful forum.....I check in with it at least once a day, although I don't have a lot to say at times..... and Jem is right.... they have not forgotten her on QM2....on my last TA crossing this past summer, not only did I wear my I Love QE2 button, but also wore a pin of her and many of the crew that I passed, especially the waiters in Britannia dining room would point at it, smile and say "ah yes, QE2".   And there are many lovely pictures of her on board, on lots of the walls on different decks and more than one in many of the elevators. 
As long as we can see her "smoking"... she's still with us!!!

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #14 on: Nov 24, 2010, 07:26 PM »
Thank you for a great idea ;D
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 27, 2010, 12:39 AM »
Thanks for your work Rob.  I'm assuming that the plans for a hotel in Dubai are definitely off the table?

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Re: A look back at our two years together here.
« Reply #16 on: Dec 01, 2010, 07:56 AM »
Once again, many many thanks and I wish you and everyone a Merry Christmas. She has been in Dubai for 2 years now and so I wish Nakheel a Happy New Year.

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« Reply #17 on: Dec 06, 2010, 11:23 PM »
Thank you for keeping us all informed regarding our beloved QE2. Your interesting facts and news have kept us all going.
My Sister in Law and I had the most enjoyable cruise on her just before the QE2 retired. The experience will stay with me for the rest of my life because I fell in love with a great ship.
I could not wait to go on to the Red Eagle Ferry the night she left Southampton for Dubai. The Red Eagle led at the front down the Southampton water and then it was time to turn around and  leave the QE2 to sail on to face an unknown future, tears streamed down my face as I waved goodbye to QE2. She sounded her magnificent horn as she sailed into the night, I couldnt believe that a ship could reduce me to tears.
When she reached Dubai I used to trawl the internet for any snippets of news about her, hoping I would read some good news.
All I can say at the moment is thankyou for your hard work keeping me and others up to date on what was happening to her, I just hope and pray she has a happy ending.